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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by pantare on August 16, 2019, 06:20:16 PM »
I know greentext probably doesn't work here on this forum; I'm not sure how to quote earlier parts of my own posts in the manner of greentext.
On mobile there's a "quote" button, there's likely also one on the website. This includes a timestamp, but copies the entire post, so you have to delete anything you don't want quoted.

Otherwise, you can type without spaces [ quote ] TEXT [ / quote ]
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by SeLaH on August 16, 2019, 01:14:21 AM »
Satyr, I know you are presenting the G.'.D.'. materials, but I am somewhat surprised that you are utilizing their mixture of Hebrew and Enochian.  I suppose it's just because you have to start *somewhere*, and G.'.D.'. is a fairly well-known place to start. 

The reason it surprises me is that I recall you stating in the past that you could think of no need to include Hebrew in Enochian Temple Openings, and Vice-Versa.  That is what inspired my most recent WT Rite (not original, but "mine" in the sense that I haven't seen it published before in such a manner), which I have repeatedly tweaked and fine-tuned over time with reference to source material, that I'm hoping will earn your acceptance as editor (after plenty of editing, no doubt) for publication in Solstice.

Is it, indeed, because
>"One must start somewhere, and the G.'.D.'. is a halfway decent place to start"
?

I know greentext probably doesn't work here on this forum; I'm not sure how to quote earlier parts of my own posts in the manner of greentext.
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by Surgo on August 15, 2019, 10:36:11 PM »
Yes. Path working. The beast to conquer all.

I've got quite a few records of working with the genii from 231... not sure if pertinent. I do all of my work the same way; banish, invoke, and sit with a pen and paper. With one exception (which Satyr knows about), this has sufficed for all things I have done so far.

I'm very interested in your thoughts about path working, in particular the methods and devices employed; keeping a record is difficult.
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by pantare on August 15, 2019, 10:13:28 PM »
The Lucifer question was a surprise, sounds like Michael's response was not.

For context, a mildly traumatic invocation of Lucifer I performed left something in the back of my mind. I really don't know what's up with this, so prepare to read some crazy. There's a sometimes red sometimes orange glowing mark in my minds eye. Being in the back of my mind is an important point, and I'm trying to describe something I don't quite have words for. It very distinctly seems to come from the depth of me, the symbolism is obvious. When I think of it, it leaps to attention quickly and lights up like a cigarette ember being dragged. It flows and fills me quickly.

I've been apprehensive to access this, although it butts into my attention at times. If this sounds like bullshit, at least trust that I really don't know what I'm talking about here. But figured I may as well ask Michael, so here's the communication:

What of the power opened in my Lucifer invocation?
Dark.

Should I avoid it?
It is not ours.

(other questions)

Should I work with Lucifer?
No.

And if I do?
Denigration.

(at the time, I didn't know what denigration meant, I had to look it up afterwards.)

Explain?
You shall not know him.

Will I come to harm in working with him?
Ask no more of my brother.

An interesting interaction, at least. I can't say I'm surprised he doesn't approve. And I guess I wouldn't appreciate a stranger asking about my family drama, but I was hoping to get some answers about what's happened to me.

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Maybe we should pause and talk about path working?
I would love to! I've never done it before. What I think I understand is you can astral project into either the tarot card, or a gateway bearing the hebrew letter of the path. Past that I've no clue.
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by Satyr on August 15, 2019, 07:24:24 PM »
First of all, I'd like to thank you Satyr for the incredible writing. Your writing is clear and professional, and genuinely helpful in the work I'm about to describe.

You're welcome! And I am glad you found it helpful.

I think this is rather good. Thank you for posting it. The Lucifer question was a surprise, sounds like Michael's response was not.

Yes, exactly who blows the horn for the grand finale is ambiguous. I have seen Michael blowing a horn, for what that's worth.

Maybe we should pause and talk about path working?
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by Satyr on August 15, 2019, 06:49:39 PM »
Thank you for this rundown, I feel that it has opened many doors for me (regarding future Work).

You are most welcome! I am so glad it's working for you.
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by pantare on August 14, 2019, 08:36:56 PM »
First of all, I'd like to thank you Satyr for the incredible writing. Your writing is clear and professional, and genuinely helpful in the work I'm about to describe.

I don't know if this is an appropriate thread to post this, but I'm doing it anyway.

Invocation of Saint Michael. Wednesday August 14th, 2019:
Traveling in France and considering the next direction of my magic, I happened upon the statue of St. Michael and the Dragon in the museum D'orsay, followed by another rendition at St. Michel Place, Paris. Following this, I spent some time researching the archangel Michael on the internet, 777, and other sources as they came. For roughly two weeks I have thought about Michael with sparse research. Some around the web, 777, and other sources. After these two weeks, with abnormally little privacy, a few hours suddenly opened and I was pleased to realize it is Wednesday, the planetary day of the sephira Hod of which Michael is the archangel. An invocation follows:

Temple and altars: Standing in a hotel room, to the east is a table, to the south is a chair with a red lighter, to the west is another table with a cup of salted water, to the north is my bed with a coffee cup full of salt.

Preliminary work: LBRP, Bornless, purification and consecration as per Satyr's direction from these threads, Regardie's Opening by Watchtower, reciting of the Seven Penitential Psalms.

I grasp the lighter, lighting it at times. Turning south, invoking fire pentagram drawn and the names of the southern Watchtower OIP TEAA PEDOCE are vibrated again. Then ALHIM TzBAOT, the godname of Hod is vibrated. Then the name MIKAL is vibrated and visualized in hebrew. I call upon Michael by this hierarchy, and scrawl a rendition of the St. Michel statue, followed by a scrawled sigil, hebrew MIKAL מיכאל on the border and Quis Deus in the center, latin for "Who is like God", the translation of MIKAL from hebrew. I gaze at the drawing and sigil, and chant "MIKAL QUIS DEUS". I pause to give orations to him. I stand and assume the posture of the St. Michel statue, like a godform. Right hand wields his sword, left points up to God. My foot stands over the slain dragon. Eventually, I sit before my notebook on the southern altar (chair), and begin writing.

I ask multiple questions, I won't include them all for different reasons. Following is my primary question and related points. This is all done on pen and paper, no scrying device, and I can't see for shit.

How can I conquer fear?
You must overcome the face of judgment.
How do I know who you are?
You will receive a sign.

These are the most pertinent communications. I asked him about Lucifer, he gave me some answers I won't share, but eventually told me to stop asking. I also asked him about communication, he recommended training sight. I asked him about an illness I have, which I called Raphael for help a a few months ago. Michael's answer was that it is already being handled, on inquiry he confirmed that it's Raphael. Eventually I asked if I could go, he said yes. LBRP, LBRH, close temple.

Analysis: his answer "overcome the face of judgment" is my direction. I asked about fear because a homeopath I visited helped me understand fear at the source of many of my problems. The mention of judgement immediately reminded me of the XXth tarot trump Judgment. Research shows a few things.

First, the card features an angel blowing the trumpet of revelation. My first instinct is that it's Gabriel, but research was less clear on which angel this is. Literally a big ass angel face named Judgement. Further research showed this to be the path of Shin on the Tree of Life, from Malkuth to Hod, ruled by fire as per 777. I take this as the evidence of Michael's authenticity.

I was given permission to contact Michael again, and I will further consider and research his answers. I've never done pathwork before, but perhaps the task is to take on Shin. I am open to comment and criticism if anyone cares to give it.
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by paragate on August 11, 2019, 05:32:15 PM »
I used the described method to establish a space for scrying and I was really impressed with the effectiveness of it. I have been putting off any kind of Watchtower ritual but the weight of them was obvious even to me. Side note - I was trying to banish distraction, and I somehow had radio silence from my roommates until I banished again when closing the temple. Thank you for this rundown, I feel that it has opened many doors for me (regarding future Work).
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by Satyr on August 08, 2019, 07:00:15 PM »
Damn. That's a hell of a write-up.

Thank you! I have been busy.

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One question that immediately springs to mind is... why clockwise?

Convention. For these examples I have adopted the convention of clockwise to invoke and counter-clockwise to banish. Since we have to move around the room anyway, I have chosen to harness this movement to our advantage. The performer circles the room clockwise exactly three times while invoking the elements. So, to close, we reverse this movement, circling the room three times counter-clockwise.

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It appears that a lot of Crowley's rituals are meant to be performed counter-clockwise, and I haven't been able to find any good explanation.

Rebellion against his G.D. days?

He often seems to be observing the same convention. In the Star Ruby, for example, instead of using banishing pentagrams, we move counter-clockwise instead.

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On another note... it seems that you've distilled a framework which lets anyone substitute the appropriate names and signs, and perform a full ritual to any end they choose.

That is deliberate. I hope my examples will show the student how to build up ritual using essentially found objects. It can be as stripped-down and simple, or as layered and baroque, as taste and need require.

Once you understand the structures you are building, cranking out something like I just posted is as easy as opening 777.

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Do you think it might be worth it to build a website/ software which automatically picks the appropriate names/ elements from 777 and plugs them into a template in this format? It might be a decent way for me to occupy my mind, and be useful at the same time.

I am of the opinion that the work that goes into looking up the names, and working it out for yourself, counts toward the final result. I think there is much to be gained by engaging the material as presented. Maybe, even hopefully, you will find a wording that sounds better to your ear. By the time you have invocations that are pleasing and appropriate, and have recorded them in your journal or grimoire, they will be practically memorized, if not already known by heart.

And then the written record itself becomes a talisman in its own right, something you can wave at spirits and rightly say, “By the ancient and inscrutable names of power and holiness contained in this book, you better watch your ass!”

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Either way. Excellent write-up. Thanks!

Many thanks for reading along.
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General Discussion / Re: Ceremonial Magic 102
« Last post by Surgo on August 08, 2019, 05:28:50 PM »
Damn. That's a hell of a write-up.

One question that immediately springs to mind is... why clockwise?

It appears that a lot of Crowley's rituals are meant to be performed counter-clockwise, and I haven't been able to find any good explanation.

Rebellion against his G.D. days?

On another note... it seems that you've distilled a framework which lets anyone substitute the appropriate names and signs, and perform a full ritual to any end they choose.

Do you think it might be worth it to build a website/ software which automatically picks the appropriate names/ elements from 777 and plugs them into a template in this format? It might be a decent way for me to occupy my mind, and be useful at the same time.

Either way. Excellent write-up. Thanks!
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