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Forum Suggestions / Re: Is a Literature Review a Good Idea?
« Last post by Nubti on October 19, 2019, 07:22:24 PM »
Done. Please let me know if there's any issues.
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Forum Suggestions / Re: Is a Literature Review a Good Idea?
« Last post by saltonaslug on October 19, 2019, 04:43:46 PM »
If we are planning on moving forward with this idea then I think it would be good to make a separate section. This would work out very well for the sake of organization-especially if we end up with multiple books/discussions going on at in one place.
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Forum Suggestions / Re: Is a Literature Review a Good Idea?
« Last post by Nubti on October 19, 2019, 11:16:11 AM »
I am all for it, most definitely. The question is, do you think we should start with just threads in the General Discussion sessions, and split them off later, once they have momentum, or would you rather see a separate category to start with?

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Forum Suggestions / Re: [POLL] IM/ chat/ Discord/ IRC/ Riot?
« Last post by Nubti on October 19, 2019, 11:13:46 AM »
Oh, for sure. I'm definitely guilty of that. At the same time, I never saw myself as anything more than the mechanic keeping this place running.

This needs to change to actually make things work, and it's a very good point you raise.
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Forum Suggestions / Is a Literature Review a Good Idea?
« Last post by saltonaslug on October 19, 2019, 04:33:56 AM »
Is a literature discussion board a good idea?

As someone who does not live near a functioning arm of the O.T.O. and someone has made the conscious decision not to associate with the “traditional” A.’.A.’., I’m facing some issues in my path. Specifically, I’m running into a wall here with the literature I’m reading/drowning in solo. I don’t have anyone to bounce ideas or interpretations of this stuff off of, and beyond that, I don’t have anyone to ask specific questions to directly except for random people on the internet- and it seems like the will to help is running short in a few places out there. I do not have a IRL mentor at the moment, either. Beyond this, I know I cannot be the only one with questions lurking on this forum.

Now, as someone who hasn’t gone through the A.’.A.’.’s course of study firsthand, I’d really like to ask for other opinions about this and hopefully some more advanced individuals can weigh in. I know the A.’.A.’. And Thelemic philosophy in general really places an emphasis on developing your own personal relationship with the source material, but I don’t think that’s to say we can’t talk about facts in a general sense- especially in the absence of a “traditional” superior or instructor for this sort of thing (like I’m sure many of us on here are experiencing). So I’d kind of like to get other opinions on this proposal:

A book discussion section within the forum. Not a list of readable or related materials, but instead a dedicated section of the forums in which each thread is focused on a different book, and the concepts/ideas presented in them are discussed and analyzed up close and in depth. Ideally, whenever possible, questions would be answered by pointing the student in the right direction or citing other literature, rather than feeding them answers- but I suppose we’ll see how the mechanics of such a thing will play out when it comes down to brass tacks. We would have to find some way to prevent this forum from devolving into the spoonfeeding of information...

Let me know if you think this is closer to heresy in the face of enlightenment or a much needed up-date to an out-dated system. 

With all love,
Salty
 
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Forum Suggestions / Re: [POLL] IM/ chat/ Discord/ IRC/ Riot?
« Last post by saltonaslug on October 19, 2019, 03:36:31 AM »
You know, I don’t want to be that guy, but I’ve gotten a few condescending responses from people (not naming names or experiences specifically) and have had a few negative interactions with others on /omg/ that have made me regret getting involved with the community in the first place.

I’ve put in a lot of time doing college level study, and I have to say that learning the specifics of Gemetria or Qabbalah is a lot harder than Biology or Philosophy 101. I guess my point is, if you’re making people feel bad about not understanding something as complicated and as far removed from modern thought as the Goetia... you’re kind of an asshole. Especially when you consider that we’re literally on the forum where you’re supposed to teach/learn this stuff. It sort of makes me question why those individuals would be interested in this site, or the concept of teaching altogether, in the first place.

I guess my only notes are “Don’t be an asshole.”?
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Forum Suggestions / Re: [POLL] IM/ chat/ Discord/ IRC/ Riot?
« Last post by pantare on October 18, 2019, 08:53:17 PM »
I realize that /omg/ has obvious problems, but I think we'll lose out by dispersing communication more. /omg/ is already slow, as it is here, but at least through /omg/ new people might stumble upon it. That's how I got here.

Admittedly I could post more, but my two cents is that if we have more discussion on /omg/ we don't need another medium.
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Forum Suggestions / Re: [POLL] IM/ chat/ Discord/ IRC/ Riot?
« Last post by Nubti on October 18, 2019, 02:11:10 AM »
That's the thing... the way I broke into pretty much all of this was relentlessly making a fool of myself, stumbling, and erring about everything.

Some things stuck. Some didn't. Other times I had the metaphorical shit kicked out of me, or made mistakes so bad that there was no way I wouldn't learn from them.

THE THING IS: it's just words. Yeah, it can get unpleasant, but it's nowhere near as bad as getting stabbed in the dick, ya know?

And I do realize that I (and some others) may come across as condescending, or irritating. That's all well and good - but bear in mind that participating - even badly - is better than lurking.

Saying the wrong thing and getting laughed at is better than staying silent and wrong.

Plus... literally nothing is stopping you from using multiple accounts on whatever platform you choose. Don't want to have a name on Discord? Make another account with a different email. No big deal.
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Forum Suggestions / Re: [POLL] IM/ chat/ Discord/ IRC/ Riot?
« Last post by Ayin on October 18, 2019, 12:21:16 AM »
I posted a few times in the discord... then I turned off notifications and forgot about it.
 
I think the main problem is that we’re based on 4chan, a place where, despite being anonymous, the vast majority only lurk. Couple that with a subject in which making a fool of yourself is almost inevitable, a lot of anons don’t want a name attached to their posts. I felt that way in the discord, and I feel that way here.

That being said, I do like the idea of a place for casual conversation outside of /omg/. I think the sense of community would be much stronger, and that’s an incredibly important thing - in my opinion, this cannot be overstated. It would require anons to give up that title, which wouldn’t be easy, but hopefully others will see the benefit of more personal connections.

It would probably be best to start fresh, maybe on a new platform. It’s tough to jump into that discord without feeling like an outsider.

Maybe it will go somewhere, and maybe it won’t. I say it’s worth a try.
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Forum Suggestions / [POLL] IM/ chat/ Discord/ IRC/ Riot?
« Last post by Nubti on October 17, 2019, 10:18:20 PM »
So - the Discord we've had so far doesn't get much love. Everything's happening either here or on /omg/.

Which is great, but... it's not great for actual conversation.

/omg/ is constantly flooded by trolls, while this place seems to intimidate people, and doesn't get much action.

So my question is, what platform should I set up for this forum that would be:
- easy to use for you
- not a hassle
- something you'd actually use, rather than checking it every few days/ idling?

I'll give this a week. Whatever wins, that's what I'll set up.
The Discord is dead, pretty much - for good reason, too - public rooms attract more attention, and that leads to people constantly splitting and creating sub-communities around their interests.

Which is great - but it doesn't lend itself to facilitating in-depth discussions, or building a community around this common goal in particular.

My personal preference would be matrix.org/ riot. It's secure, has e2e encryption, and unlike Discord, doesn't engage in unethical tracking/ surveillance/ data collection. And it's not owned by Tencent, which is a chinese government front.

Anyway. Vote away, and in a week, we'll get this going.

In the meantime, here's a link to our currently dead Discord server, if you want to just hang out and shoot the shit.

https://discord.gg/HGeKff9
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